Copy protection on DVDs

[Morg]

Hi all

I bought a Pioneer DVR-3100 (standalone recorder, not for PC) recently to
convert old videos to DVD and to backup some of my watched-to-death DVDs.
However, the player throws up the message 'copyright protected - cannot
copy' when trying to copy some discs. From spending the last hour and half
reading old posts in this group, I'm guessing that this protection isn't
anything to do with Macrovision, so:

1. Am I correct in assuming that Macrovision only prevents copying of DVD to
video?
2. Is there a way to disable or get around the copyright protection that I
am experiencing? I've seen these two products recommended for this:

http://www.techtronics.com/uk/shop/873-techtronics-vcr-mode-upgrades.html
http://www.sonel.com/

Would either of those leads sort out the problem?

Any advice would be appreciated.
Morg




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Post by Morg
Hi all
I bought a Pioneer DVR-3100 (standalone recorder, not for PC) recently to
convert old videos to DVD and to backup some of my watched-to-death DVDs.
However, the player throws up the message 'copyright protected - cannot
copy' when trying to copy some discs. From spending the last hour and half
reading old posts in this group, I'm guessing that this protection isn't
1. Am I correct in assuming that Macrovision only prevents copying of DVD to
video?
2. Is there a way to disable or get around the copyright protection that I
http://www.techtronics.com/uk/shop/873-techtronics-vcr-mode-upgrades.html
http://www.sonel.com/
Would either of those leads sort out the problem?
Any advice would be appreciated.

you are correct it is not macrovision. and hence those two products
will not work.

about your disc you can actually repair them

and to make copies you can use a pc for that.
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Post by Morg
I bought a Pioneer DVR-3100 (standalone recorder, not for PC) recently to
convert old videos to DVD and to backup some of my watched-to-death DVDs.
However, the player throws up the message 'copyright protected - cannot
copy' when trying to copy some discs. From spending the last hour and half
reading old posts in this group, I'm guessing that this protection isn't
1. Am I correct in assuming that Macrovision only prevents copying of DVD to
video?
2. Is there a way to disable or get around the copyright protection that I
http://www.techtronics.com/uk/shop/873-techtronics-vcr-mode-upgrades.html
http://www.sonel.com/
Would either of those leads sort out the problem?
Any advice would be appreciated.
Morg

Read the DVD FAQ. (http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html)

There are 2 copy protections:

- analog copy protection: The signal is scrambled with
"macrovision" on the analog video outputs ... so that it can
still be viewed on a TV but can't be recorded properly on a VCR.

- digital copy protection: The video files on the DVD are
encrypted using an algorithm known as "CSS".

The only way to remove both copy protections is to use a PC and program
called "DVD decrypter" (which is freeware by the way).

If you've got a PC with a DVD-ROM drive, and if you have a way to record
the PC display with your DVR-3100 without loosing to much quality (using
the S-video output of the video card for instance), here's what you can do:

1) Copy your DVD-Video files to your hard drive using "DVD
Decrypter". This will remove both copy protection schemes.

2) Play the files from your hardrive using your PC DVD player
(WinDVD, PowerDVD, whatever). Play the movie in fullscreen.

3) Press "Record" on your Pioneer recorder ... and record the
PC display.

-Vincent

[Gary]

Post by Vincent Kieffer

Post by Morg
I bought a Pioneer DVR-3100 (standalone recorder, not for PC) recently to
convert old videos to DVD and to backup some of my watched-to-death DVDs.
However, the player throws up the message 'copyright protected - cannot
copy' when trying to copy some discs. From spending the last hour and half
reading old posts in this group, I'm guessing that this protection isn't
1. Am I correct in assuming that Macrovision only prevents copying of DVD to
video?
2. Is there a way to disable or get around the copyright protection that I

http://www.techtronics.com/uk/shop/873-techtronics-vcr-mode-upgrades.html

Post by Vincent Kieffer

Post by Morg
http://www.sonel.com/
Would either of those leads sort out the problem?
Any advice would be appreciated.
Morg

Read the DVD FAQ. (http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html)
- analog copy protection: The signal is scrambled with
"macrovision" on the analog video outputs ... so that it can
still be viewed on a TV but can't be recorded properly on a VCR.
- digital copy protection: The video files on the DVD are
encrypted using an algorithm known as "CSS".
The only way to remove both copy protections is to use a PC and program
called "DVD decrypter" (which is freeware by the way).
If you've got a PC with a DVD-ROM drive, and if you have a way to record
the PC display with your DVR-3100 without loosing to much quality (using
1) Copy your DVD-Video files to your hard drive using "DVD
Decrypter". This will remove both copy protection schemes.
2) Play the files from your hardrive using your PC DVD player
(WinDVD, PowerDVD, whatever). Play the movie in fullscreen.
3) Press "Record" on your Pioneer recorder ... and record the
PC display.
-Vincent

VHS can have macrovision. DVD can have macrovision. standalone recorders
will not record macrovision protected signals.

remove the macrovision and that should be it. the sonel device is the sort
of thing you want.

[Barry OGrady]

Post by Vincent Kieffer
- analog copy protection: The signal is scrambled with
"macrovision" on the analog video outputs ... so that it can
still be viewed on a TV but can't be recorded properly on a VCR.

Is that common with region 4 movies? I have copied several DVDs to
my VCR.

Post by Vincent Kieffer
-Vincent

-Barry
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[Gary]

On Mon, 24 May 2004 09:27:42 +0200, Vincent Kieffer

Post by Vincent Kieffer
- analog copy protection: The signal is scrambled with
"macrovision" on the analog video outputs ... so that it can
still be viewed on a TV but can't be recorded properly on a VCR.

Is that common with region 4 movies? I have copied several DVDs to
my VCR.

Post by Vincent Kieffer
-Vincent

-Barry
========
Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.

They have to pay to use Macrovision so not all titles of any region will
have it . especially back titles